Wednesday, 11 May 2016

Turkey is in theory going to join the EU - it's a legitimate and important point for the Brexit camp to raise


The Economist worries today that more than a fifth of plant species are threatened with extinction but is unconcerned that mass migration threatens to overwhelm homogeneous European national cultures and means the end of ethnic states.

And the end of Christian Europe.

I like Turks very much- every single one I have ever known - but Turkey is a Muslim country, 97% of which is in Asia, it has another religion, another tradition and it is not European.

Negotiations on Turkey’s accession to the EU opened in 2005, when talks began on the 35 so-called chapters Turkey needed to meet to become a member. Only one has been closed – and it may be several decades before Turkey completes the accession negotiations. But one day, decades from now, if the EU still exists (who knows?), Turkey probably will join and this is a very strong argument for the UK to leave the EU.

But British and European conservative politicians think otherwise, including Lord (Chris) Patten who said in 2011 that admitting Turkey would give the Europe a new reason to exist. 
As an EU member, Turkey would add a new dimension of massive historic importance. Europeans would show that we could embrace an Islamic democracy and build a strong bridge between Europe and Western Asia.That, in turn, would create a new European identity and narrative, a new reason for the EU to exist in this century, a way of rejecting the divisive politics of old. 
Admitting Turkey into the EU has been a British policy objective under all three parties since the 1990s. Politicians who favour this are now arguing for the UK to remain in the EU. They are not trustworthy.


  1. The narrative put forward by Patten is misguided! Even a cursory look at the impact on Germany shows that!

  2. David in Banja Luka14 May 2016 at 19:15

    "Politicians who favour this are now arguing for the UK to remain in the EU. They are not trustworthy."

    In 1990s RSA I heard this joke:

    How can you tell when a politican is lying?

    His lips move!

  3. Molly Scott Cato MEP

    A brief word on Turkey. To me it seems highly unlikely that the country will ever be able to become an EU member because any country can veto their membership and France for one is likely to exercise that veto. But in terms of Brexit, if we stay in the EU we can always veto Turkish membership. If we leave we will lose that power and if the remaining members decide to admit Turkey then we will not be able to stop that. So if this is a clinching argument for you, in reality remaining in gives you more control over the fate of Turkey.

    1. We meaning the people won't get a vote on Turkish accession or on anything else ever again. They meaning the British political establishment and the FCO back it so we must hope for a French veto. What would either William Pitt have said?

    2. I don't want control of the fate of Turkey but of England

    3. On Sunday David Cameron accused his own defence minister Penny Mordaunt of misleading the public about the prospect of Turkey joining the EU.

      The prime minister said Mordaunt was “absolutely wrong” to suggest that Britain had no veto over the accession of new countries. “Let me be clear, Britain and every other country in the EU has a veto on another country joining. That is a fact,” Cameron said in an interview on ITV’s Peston on Sunday.

      Earlier during a BBC interview, Andrew Marr asked Mordaunt whether Britain had a veto, and she replied: “No it doesn’t.” She then argued: “I do not think that the EU is going to keep Turkey out. I think it is going to join. I think the migrant crisis is pushing it more that way.”

      Mordaunt told the Guardian that her intention had been to highlight the prime minister’s own support for Turkey joining the EU, and to point out that the British public would not be given a referendum if the decision was taken in the future.

      Campaigners on both sides of the arguments jumped on the interviews to highlight past records of their opponents. Brexiters pointed to Cameron’s statement in 2010 that he wanted to “pave the road from Ankara to Brussels”, while Remainers pointed to Boris Johnson’s claim that Turkey’s accession was not likely to happen.

  4. Hmm I think all that was lost to you in 1066.

    1. No it was not. 1066 was the last time England was conquered by foreigners.

      But more immigrants came to Great Britain in 2010 alone than in 1100-1950, according to Migrationwatch.

  5. Molly Scott Cato MEP does not sound very bright. I see that she belongs to the most dangerous and extremist party of all, the Greens, which wants open borders and completely unrestricted immigration. Apart from any other objection, that would mean building right across the countryside, so they are not even green but pose a grave threat to the environment as well as to democracy and national independence.

    By the way a German Green Party politician called Dr. Stefanie von Berg told the Hamburg parliament last year
    "In 20-30 years there will no longer be a German majority. We will live in a supercultural society. This is what we will have in the future. And I want to make it very clear, especially to right-wingers: This is a good thing!"