Saturday, 17 June 2017

Helmut Schmidt, Vladimir Putin, detente and realpolitik

Interesting! According to Edward Lucas's Economist obituary of Helmut Schmidt, who died eighteen months ago, Schmidt thought Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine was a justified response to Western meddling.


  1. David in Moscow17 June 2017 at 19:21


    Why were your so surprised to read this?

    For Putin, the US and EU interference in Ukraine, encouraging mob overthrow of the democratically elected president, was the equivalent of the Cuban missile crisis for JFK.

    What would the US have done if similar circumstances occurred in Mexico or Canada?

    A rhetorical question of course:


    1. 'Justified' surprised me.

      An invasion of a sovereign country is never justified. But, as most of us see now, it should have been expected.

      It's the difference between saying rape victims are asking for it and advising women to be cautious. Though in this case it was the EU and the Obama administration that weren't cautious and Ukraine that was raped

    2. Have you noticed that the people who are most angry about Russia (and they are entitled to be), like the FT, the Economist, Anne Applebaum, etc, etc are the ones most sanguine about taking more Muslim immigrants into Europe?

    3. And it is no coincidence. They loathe Russia because it is the only remaining European power with its nationalist immune system in tact.

      So when they say that "Russia threatens Europe" what they really mean is that Russia threatens the destruction of Europe.

      Anti-Russia = Anti-White.

    4. Russia does not represent white (or Western) civilization in any sense - culturally, they have more similarities with the Mongols and Turkic tribes which shaped much of their identity and history. Look at their system of government (one of the few "white" countries to never really adopt democracy or even pay lip service to it). Look up the murder rates on wikipedia (hinte - they are very different from every single other "white" country in the world). Humanism, individualism, pen mightier than the sword, the enlightenment, and other Western values never really took hold in Russia, even though some of their leaders (Peter the Great, some nobles) have tried to introduce them. I don't understand this fetish for Russia as the last hope for defending Western Civilization and Christianity (a large part of the population holds very anti-Christian, atheist views, and many don't identify with Europe at all) - I think it's probably a result of Russian propaganda and wishful thinking.

  2. Russia could use some immigration to lighten up. It's a very closed, bitter place.