Sunday, 11 February 2018

Was it Great Britain, not Russia, that was interfering in the 2016 US Presidential election?

The investigation into whether Trump colluded with Russia to help him win the election - spoiler alert: he didn't - is for me very boring and not at all important. What is interesting is that the FBI relied on uncorroborated information in order to investigate someone in the Trump campaign. They did so because they, quite reasonably, had faith in Christopher Steele, the supposedly retired M16 man who produced the information.

The Guardian in April 2017 said:


'Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told. GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.'


Does this mean that M16 was trying to prevent Donald Trump becoming president? Not Russian collusion with Trump but British interference in the US election?

Absolutely nothing wrong if they were. That's why countries have secret services. But it does not augur well for the (in any case mythical) special relationship between the UK and US. And it comes on top of several politically correct rebukes from Mrs. May for Donald Trump's entertaining tweets.

15 comments:

  1. Nigel12 February 2018 at 15:39

    From Russia Insider:

    "Rachel Maddow, the nation's most popular and influential liberal political show host is Jewish. She has gone so overboard demonizing Russia and pushing Russiagate that she has become a figure of fun. On the print side, the list is the same - the ones shrieking the loudest are mostly Jews, and disproportionately female - and there is an important lesson there too - Masha Gessen, Anne Applebaum, and Julia loffe, to name a few.

    The refrain from the male chorus is no less strident. David Remnick, David Frum, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer. Even comedy news hates Russia - John Oliver, Jon Stewart (previously), Bill Maher, all Jews, go to great efforts to convince Americans that Putin's Russia is, quite literally - and this term is frequently used - 'Hitlerian.'

    Jewish-owned high brow magazines have been leading the charge against Putin - the Newhouse's New Yorker, the NY Review of Books (the management of this venerable magazine is obsessed with the subject). The New Republic, Newsweek, The Atlantic, and the Rothschild-owned Economist pump out story after story full of what can only be called lies, in a massive campaign to demonize Russia and Putin.

    Timothy Snyder, the Yale historian, and Michael Weiss, the neocon firebrand whose website, The Interpreter, is funded by the exiled Jewish oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, are two more prominent figures in this phenomenon.

    The Economist deserves special mention with Ed Lucas leading the charge (previously), (he is the great nephew of Charles Portal, allegedly Jewish chief of the air staff in Britain during WW2 who was allegedly a relentless proponent of fire-bombing German civilians and is thought to be behind the burning of Dresden). I suppose having a purported war criminal in the family means never having to say you are sorry. Equally vitriolic are the writings of Ben Judah and his father, Tim.

    But to draw attention to all this, or to investigate whether there is something about their Jewishness that makes them so hostile to Russia, is simply, verboten. Inevitably, when I point out this overwhelming ethnic imbalance, people say, well what about the many critics of the hostility to Russia who are Jewish? – the eminently admirable Glenn Greenwald is a prominent example, and there are many others. The answer is, that the exception to a trend doesn’t disprove it, and can often serve to mask it."

    https://russia-insider.com/en/its-time-drop-jew-taboo/ri22186

    In other words, the concocted Russia conspiracy theory is itself the product of an actual Jewish conspiracy.

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  2. Political Refugee from the Global Village12 February 2018 at 16:06

    Most of those people mentioned also dislike Donald Trump.

    Though I don't know, it's possible from his name that Stephen Cohen, who defends Putin as he did Gorbachev, is Jewish. I don't know but think some of the writers at the Marxist magazine Jacobin who like Putin might be Jewish.

    But if a lot of Jews are scared of Putin, so what? Jews are understandably scared of people who remind them of Hitler.

    Putin is certainly nothing like Hitler but he is a lot closer to Hitler than Trump is.

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    1. Nigel14 February 2018 at 11:30

      It's a bit ridiculous to ask 'so what?' when an escalating confrontation with Russia has the potential to end in the death of thousands even millions of people. I would ask: so what if Jewish hostility to Putin and non-Jewish nationalism is understandable? It has a massively distorting effect on our national debate and foreign policy. Why should they set the debate, an ethnic group that is only 2% of the U.S. population?

      The average American or Brit doesn’t give a crap about Crimea or Donetsk and can’t even find these places on a map. Trump was elected on an "America First" platform. A large part of why he won the nomination and election was because voters were sick of constant foreign entanglements like the Iraq war. The neocon Jews who drove America to war with Iraq shrouded their project in lofty moral idealism while their real motivation was a Jewish ethnic goal of securing Israeli hegemony in the middle east. Thousands of Americans and British men died as a result. You can be sure that not many of those doing the fighting and dying were Jewish. Why should these elite Jews be able to get away with this deception and pretend to speak in the national interest?

      The unrelenting hostility toward Iran is an equally Jewish phenomenon. The U.S. has no compelling interest in Syria. Iranian terrorists are not blowing up Americans and Europeans. It's an exclusively Sunni phenomenon, but Jewish media elites foment hysterical hatred against Syria and Iran on the dubious grounds of “terrorism” and “human rights”. They concoct an entirely fake Iran threat just like a completely fake Russia threat.

      You fail to follow through with your own logic. if the motivation behind Jewish hostility to Putin and nationalism is reasonable and understandable then it is also reasonable and understandable for us to oppose it, expose their ethnic agenda and call these Jews out on what they are up to.

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    2. Political Refugee from the Global Village14 February 2018 at 16:26

      Most globalists are not Jewish. See the Economist. See the cabal who engineered the 2003 invasion of Iraq including Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney. Some Jewish commentators detest neo cons. Look at Paul Gottfried and Ilana Mercer for example.

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  3. Political Refugee from the Global Village14 February 2018 at 12:51

    I strongly feel that Russia is not a big threat to the West and that migrants and mass migration are. I strongly agree that Iran is not a threat. I see no reason why the US should fights wars for the sake of Saudi or Israeli interests. There is however no danger of a war between the West and Russia, thank God.

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  4. Political Refugee from the Global Village14 February 2018 at 13:08

    http://pvewood.blogspot.ro/2017/04/obviously-usa-and-uk-should-never-have.html

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  5. Anonymous19 February 2018 at 18:09

    Spoiler alert: informed (and conservative) players do not resort so quickly to an airy dismissal of Russian influence in US elections.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/america-is-under-attack-and-the-president-doesnt-care/553667/

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    1. Political Refugee from the Global Village19 February 2018 at 18:59

      I love being airy and I am good at it.

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    2. Political Refugee from the Global Village19 February 2018 at 19:45

      It's true that no-one in America is conservative in the true sense. The Constitution is a Whiggish document. Leaving that aside I certainly do not consider The Atlantic conservative. I was glancing at an article in it praising chain immigration and the diversity lottery. It has backed only three presidential candidates and was very wrong about all three: Lincoln, Lyndon Johnson and the wretched Hillary.

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    3. Anonymous23 February 2018 at 22:19

      David Frum has a platform in the Atlantic, but he is a conservative who worked for years for George W Bush. He is very intelligent.

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    4. Political Refugee from the Global Village23 February 2018 at 22:43

      I don't esteem him at all. He is a neo-con. I consider George W. Bush a Wilsonian liberal in foreign policy and a high spending statist at home. I can't abide that kind of Republicanism.

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    5. Political Refugee from the Global Village24 February 2018 at 08:47

      People like Frum, the Younger Bush Cheney, etc. should subscribe big sums to build a statue to that old rogue Jacques Chirac, who implored the U.S. not to invade Iraq.

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    6. Political Refugee from the Global Village24 February 2018 at 08:48

      Please give a name, even a false one, though your real one would be much better.

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  6. Anonymous19 February 2018 at 18:10

    Spoiler alert: informed (and conservative) players do not resort so quickly to an airy dismissal of Russian influence in US elections.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/america-is-under-attack-and-the-president-doesnt-care/553667/

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  7. Political Refugee from the Global Village19 February 2018 at 22:46

    You said that before.

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