tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post265394502803007300..comments2024-03-28T09:46:24.020+02:00Comments on A Political Refugee From The Global Village : Liberalism redivivus: UKIP are liberalsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-70790148058566897022014-11-24T22:36:55.190+02:002014-11-24T22:36:55.190+02:00This is a very good article by the great Charles M...This is a very good article by the great Charles Moore: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11246048/Ukips-Rochester-win-shows-voters-no-longer-trust-the-main-parties.html?fbPolitical Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-3517367118960626082014-11-24T09:26:03.001+02:002014-11-24T09:26:03.001+02:00I just dug up this from my email archive. It’s fro... <br />I just dug up this from my email archive. It’s from a Romanian woman acquaintance who moved to London about 4 or 5 years ago, has a good job and lives in style there. I should say that I do not agree with this lady's comment and think if immigrants are needed in the UK - a big if - Romanians make good ones. But it is worth publishing in the light of the antipathy of Romanians towards UKIP and British people who oppose immigration from Romania.<br /><br /> 'When I see gypsies and sluttish Romanian waitresses in London it makes me want to vomit. I saw Romanian gypsies being disgusting around London and felt ill- like puking. So dirty and uncivilized! Defecating near Marble Arch! I felt pure disgust! I am not religious but I pray God that Britain does not open the gates to them. The good quality ones have already come.' <br />Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-76771822536499227432014-11-24T09:06:22.436+02:002014-11-24T09:06:22.436+02:00Thank you for illustrating my point about the toxi...Thank you for illustrating my point about the toxicity of the dirty propaganda perpetrated by UKIP against Romanians, which led to disinformating and manipulating people.Roumainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917865305768123362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-41108965884447099152014-11-24T00:54:20.017+02:002014-11-24T00:54:20.017+02:00UKIP is not against any foreigners, but against un...UKIP is not against any foreigners, but against uncontrolled immigration because we are a small island, now bursting at its seams. I have followed the debate and Nigel Farage took out an ad in the broadsheets because he was misquoted and he got some facts about the Romanian crime gangs operating in London around ATMs. Those facts were backed up by crime statistics, he wasn't making it up. Romanian's have nothing to fear from UKIP, the EU certainly has though.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-53298448483320629952014-11-23T21:07:00.893+02:002014-11-23T21:07:00.893+02:00They got 0.87% of the vote because people finally ...They got 0.87% of the vote because people finally realised that the Ljb Dems are leftist fascist Nazis. It did take rather a while, but individual people are not stupid moronic cretins, and the truth sank in, finally. It did take a while, but we got there.<br />As many Lib Dem fiends were telling me in the 1980s and 1990s - "LOOK, if people won't see reason, then WE WILL JUST HAVE TO RULE BY DECREE!" (They meant it also. They would have done so. - and admitted it cheerfully.)<br />David DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-90900302269032898762014-11-23T13:35:17.963+02:002014-11-23T13:35:17.963+02:00I know.I know.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-40893369938617294782014-11-23T13:33:42.616+02:002014-11-23T13:33:42.616+02:00It may seem abrupt, but after reading the title I ...It may seem abrupt, but after reading the title I didn’t even bother reading the content.<br /><br />For us Romanians, UKIP is that extremist political party which fomented and lead the abominable hate and dirt anti-Romanian smear campaign during 2013.<br />UKIP is a nomine horribilis in Romania. <br />Roumainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04917865305768123362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-13402759575857206702014-11-23T12:54:33.687+02:002014-11-23T12:54:33.687+02:00I had no idea what you were talking about but now ...I had no idea what you were talking about but now I see. You think goldfish should not be given away at funfairs. Actually I borrowed that example from Boris Johnson and could have mentioned many others - worst of all after press regulation might be Vince Cable's absolutely shocking desire to force companies to appoint a certain number of women directors. But I could go on for years.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-56648760196002104832014-11-23T08:30:56.765+02:002014-11-23T08:30:56.765+02:00That is hilarious. I wish the Liberal Democrats wo...That is hilarious. I wish the Liberal Democrats would rebrand themselves: they are, after all, the SDP in exile. They are social-democrats, far detached from any notion of liberalism in the "classical" sense. There is nothing liberal about them. I'm sceptical about UKIP, though. A lot of their public spokespeople, on the BBC and other popular media outlets, have, of late, been pushing a vague level of appeasement towards left-leaning "Old Labour" types in the North of England. I can understand why, but I don't think it is mere strategy. I think there is a contingent within that party which supports statist economics, which is hardly libertarian. I don't believe an overnight dissolution of the state would help in any way, because the general public opinion in this country would not permit it, but some of these people don't seem to think it's a desirable long-term project either. <br /><br />All that written, I have voted for UKIP in the last two elections and will do again in 2015. Even if they are not exactly what I would like them to be, they are still better than the grim alternatives!<br />Roger Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-57535791654811657402014-11-23T01:01:22.616+02:002014-11-23T01:01:22.616+02:00Well then don't moan about them...Well then don't moan about them...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-49972467534868919602014-11-22T18:56:16.070+02:002014-11-22T18:56:16.070+02:00Every life is valuable even that of the least wort...Every life is valuable even that of the least worthy of us.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-78242852958449960362014-11-22T18:51:20.929+02:002014-11-22T18:51:20.929+02:00The other parties had a conspiracy of silence abou...The other parties had a conspiracy of silence about the European Union. Now they have all agreed to an in-out referendum and they want to renegotiate the terms of membership. Why are they even talking about it? It is because UKIP has put the frighteners on them. There was an elite consensus that ever more power must be pooled with the European Union and this was in the teeth of public opinion. I am glad that UKIP has burst in on this complacent coterie in Westminster.<br />Dennis Skinner's rant was his usual demagogic drivel. He pretends as though the NHS belongs to Labour. In 2010 more doctors voted Conservative than Labour. Skinner would have us believe that no Britishers work in the NHS. Does every immigrant work in the NHS? UKIP does not want to forbid all immigration. It wants highly skilled immigrants as he has said. Skinner's dishonest screed appeals to simpletons and bigots. Without the NHS he would not be alive he said. For that I do not thank the NHS.<br />GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-63106881186976075342014-11-22T18:25:02.587+02:002014-11-22T18:25:02.587+02:00Not true. I do not want racial slurs to be accepta...Not true. I do not want racial slurs to be acceptable and want us to be mindful of animal welfare. I do like freedom. Like Sir William Harcourt.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-42334847955323293862014-11-22T17:29:08.272+02:002014-11-22T17:29:08.272+02:00You only think it's authoritarianism because y...You only think it's authoritarianism because you happen to not like the rules they propose. For instance, unlike most conservatives, I don't feel that my freedom is being restricted and that the world is coming to and end because it's no longer socially acceptable to use racial slurs or because we're trying to be more mindful of animal welfare. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-39079118518653098182014-11-22T13:19:46.734+02:002014-11-22T13:19:46.734+02:00I don't think you could have looked particular...I don't think you could have looked particularly closely at UKIP recently. They are a long way off being liberals. Socialists of the 1950s British variety is the nearest I can think of. The Liberal Democrats are not liberals either, of course. There is, actually, still a Liberal Party but I don't know if they ever put up candidates in national elections.<br />Helen Szamuely Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-79959873513267264292014-11-22T08:35:34.039+02:002014-11-22T08:35:34.039+02:00They evolved towards authoritarianism or statism. ...They evolved towards authoritarianism or statism. Now they want to ban things. They even want to ban funfairs giving goldfish away as prizes. The Liberal Democrats want statutory press regulation and privacy laws. On the continent liberals still exist.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-43494243665813899192014-11-22T08:24:24.446+02:002014-11-22T08:24:24.446+02:00Of course.Of course.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-81302548169280166802014-11-22T08:17:43.854+02:002014-11-22T08:17:43.854+02:00Paul - in many ways UKIP is a Gladstonian liberal ...Paul - in many ways UKIP is a Gladstonian liberal party. George Callaghan Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-62057382100136303352014-11-22T02:13:03.700+02:002014-11-22T02:13:03.700+02:00You are mistaken. Liberals/liberalism have/has evo...You are mistaken. Liberals/liberalism have/has evolved since the 19th century. That's why you are under the impression that the Lib Dems are not liberals.<br /><br />A liberalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com