tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post3058239111287714236..comments2024-03-29T09:09:46.823+02:00Comments on A Political Refugee From The Global Village : Brexit: things seem slightly less hopeless todayUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-82005485321393686882018-11-23T11:28:22.275+02:002018-11-23T11:28:22.275+02:00"Eurosceptic hubris... will lead to another r..."Eurosceptic hubris... will lead to another referendum"<br /><br />Second referendum<br /><br /> As it stands, the Labour party’s official policy is essentially to try everything else short of another referendum and then, in extremis, to go for that. I am dubious about two parts of this: firstly, I am sceptical that Jeremy Corbyn would ever want to get to this position outside of an election or coalition negotiation. In order to get Labour through an election campaign or into government supported by the smaller parties of the left, sure. But imperil Brexit and potentially prop up a Conservative government? I can’t see it.<br /><br />But even if Corbyn were to decide to back another referendum, there is no button in the Labour leader’s office to compel every Labour MP to vote for the deal. Don’t forget that 25 Labour MPs have broken the whip to harden Brexit, including the seven committed Brexiteers – so we are realistically talking about a situation where two highly unlikely things happen:<br /><br />1) Jeremy Corbyn decides to risk his own electoral coalition in support of a cause that is not his own, and<br /><br />2) around 30 Conservative MPs decide to vote with him.<br /><br />I’m not saying these two things definitely can’t happen, but they are both individually pretty unlikely, let alone together.<br /><br />Stephen Bush<br />https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/11/theresa-may-s-deal-isn-t-going-pass-so-what-s-going-happenTomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14355268309169462651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-4721834138319753932018-11-20T19:33:14.540+02:002018-11-20T19:33:14.540+02:00Agreed.Agreed.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-64105591040527328562018-11-20T19:32:39.412+02:002018-11-20T19:32:39.412+02:00I do hope you are right. Yes the DUP are the posit...I do hope you are right. Yes the DUP are the positive part of the picture - an odd thing for me as a Catholic to say. I used to like the Official Unionists and (very foolishly) the SDP - but both those parties were for Remain, as is Sinn Fein-IRA.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-2801239376468207772018-11-20T09:08:10.764+02:002018-11-20T09:08:10.764+02:00Much more likely is that Eurosceptic hubris "...Much more likely is that Eurosceptic hubris " We won get over it", will lead to another referendum. Brits do so hate being told what to think.The three way hokey dokey question will split the lead camp. A threshold of 60% will ensure the question is not asked again for another couple of decades. The break up of the union will be averted and the right will chew only with gums, even within the party, except those that pervert to UKIP. Thus the Conservative party will follow the liberals into the annals. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-62659578883998769372018-11-19T21:43:56.425+02:002018-11-19T21:43:56.425+02:00'...it will not happen'
I bet you a fifth...'...it will not happen'<br /><br />I bet you a fifth of Stoli that it will.<br />May can't ram this through (Thank God for a hung Parliament) and she's neither willing nor able to get a better deal. Nobody will... The EU hubris will take care of that.Tomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14355268309169462651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-16639239386842222672018-11-19T19:35:01.539+02:002018-11-19T19:35:01.539+02:00I love Mark Steyn, of course, and am sorry he seem...I love Mark Steyn, of course, and am sorry he seems to write less these days. Like him I am of course hoping (against hope) for a hard Brexit. But I can't help fearing it will not happen.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-40270682908068771822018-11-19T19:30:07.298+02:002018-11-19T19:30:07.298+02:00She overcame the unions by unemployment but at lea...She overcame the unions by unemployment but at least she did overcome them, I suppose - the same with inflation - and she governed without a prices and income policy which in 1979 seemed absurdly unlikely. Thatcherism was economic Powellism. I still blame her for letting British industry go to the wall but by force of will she won what seemed a permanent victory over the left - but nothing is permanent and the left has conquered in the end.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-3857252112889541622018-11-19T19:25:58.412+02:002018-11-19T19:25:58.412+02:00I couldn't see anything truly conservative in ...I couldn't see anything truly conservative in Mrs Thatcher - she did nothing to make it easier for mothers to stay at home, for instance, and let her civil servants talk her out of abolishing the sex equality quango. But seeing how the Thatcherites were so very right about Europe makes me think I got her wrong.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-4112276653743501282018-11-19T19:23:59.906+02:002018-11-19T19:23:59.906+02:00Yes I know he is a British subject and therefore c...Yes I know he is a British subject and therefore could be a minister, yes he is therefore my compatriot too, or so I think - and yes he would be perfect.Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-12934843493517433962018-11-19T19:13:29.943+02:002018-11-19T19:13:29.943+02:00By the way, under British nationality law, there i...By the way, under British nationality law, there is nothing to prevent a Commonwealth citizen sitting in the UK parliament, and many have done so. Granted, it has been a while since one of Her Majesty's overseas subjects served as Conservative leader and prime minister (my compatriot Bonar Law in 1922), but the Tories could do far worse than install Tony Abbott in Downing Street on a drive-thru no-deal platform.<br /><br />https://www.steynonline.com/9023/welcome-to-the-hotel-brexiforniaTomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14355268309169462651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-17337731434332027292018-11-19T05:16:59.534+02:002018-11-19T05:16:59.534+02:00Cameron pursued years of austerity that leave Brit...Cameron pursued years of austerity that leave Britain in a very vulnerable position now. He destroyed his own political career with the referendum. So perhaps not as clever as his fellow males give him credit for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-73147910041205768312018-11-18T08:19:10.015+02:002018-11-18T08:19:10.015+02:00all no it doesn't actually it just takes the s...all no it doesn't actually it just takes the stand that the conservatives would crash the country rather than either split party or backtrack. Without the DUP on side, and she does not have that we are already in a minority government situation. It always amuses me that Brexiteers who fought for so many years for a government by mob are so scared of letting it loose again.<br />JTheTall one at the backhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11183163546412859770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-38915201413414729272018-11-17T18:31:21.531+02:002018-11-17T18:31:21.531+02:00This is interesting. And answers you. https://www....This is interesting. And answers you. https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2018/11/alex-morton-if-mays-deal-doesnt-get-through-here-are-the-three-options.htmlPolitical Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-75800190437399191032018-11-17T17:08:56.128+02:002018-11-17T17:08:56.128+02:00Of course there is a third alternative as outlined...Of course there is a third alternative as outlined by May herself, and omitted by you in error I am sure. No Brexit.<br /><br />JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-38832117181784081182018-11-17T15:10:19.411+02:002018-11-17T15:10:19.411+02:00The diaries of the Liberal Democrat cabinet minist...The diaries of the Liberal Democrat cabinet minister David Laws supply a vignette from 2012 when the cabinet discussed Chinese visas and George Osborne launched what turned into "a full-frontal attack on the home secretary. Theresa May remained very quiet, seething with anger, while the chancellor, sitting right next to her on her left, launched his scathing attack.”<br /><br />Mrs May defended herself at length but it soon became clear that she “had very little of substance to say.... Cameron got visibly angry and began to go through all the points on the chancellor’s list, one by one. Theresa stuttered and stumbled and looked desperately through her briefing notes for the answers that she needed — but without finding any. Other ministers looked embarrassed at seeing the home secretary squirm so badly.”Political Refugee from the Global Villagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523068770529814044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-891289711377156224.post-32310818278733697442018-11-17T13:25:08.824+02:002018-11-17T13:25:08.824+02:00I just cant see what the fuss about the Irish bord...I just cant see what the fuss about the Irish border is?Surely if the EU and Rep of Ireland place a hard border then they will be the ones who have broken the Good Friday Agreement not the UK?They have just tried too find a reason to fail and this is it.<br />Jack Hennesseynoreply@blogger.com