Wednesday 3 August 2022

Talking about Viktor Orban: I posted this on 30 July 2017 in a Facebook group.

Viktor Orban is a demagogue and, to use an oft misused word, a populist, the Hungarian government is corrupt and very unsatisfactory from some points of view, but on immigration and the future of Europe he makes sense.


Some things in this speech I dislike. Francis Fukuyama called this speech a 'full-throated defense of ethno-nationalism, replete with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories' but I see nothing anti-Semitic in it and Netanyahu agrees with Orban that Europe should shut its doors. Ethno-nationalism is an American concept, contrasted with civic nationalism, and is considered dangerous by Americans because the USA is not an ethnic state but a country with a long history of racism, trying to come to terms with its history of slavery. Hungary has its history of racism too, of course.


"However much of a taboo one is breaking by saying it, there is no cultural identity in a population without a stable ethnic composition. The alteration of a country’s ethnic makeup amounts to an alteration of its cultural identity. A strong country can never afford to do something like that – unless some global catastrophe forces it to do so....
"..Over the next few decades the main question in Europe will be this: will Europe remain the continent of the Europeans? Will Hungary remain the country of the Hungarians? Will Germany remain the country of the Germans? Will France remain the country of the French? Or will Italy remain the country of the Italians? Who will live in Europe? This is a historical question which we must face up to today. As regards the specific situation – and this is quite telling about the world that we live in today – there’s no concrete, reliable information on the percentages of traditional indigenous Christians and the incoming Muslim communities living in Europe’s individual countries. In practice it is forbidden to gather information like this. And the data which is gathered is not adequate for us to predict what the future holds for us, as migrants, immigrants, are not evenly distributed throughout the different age groups. So the general figures say little about what awaits us. We should focus most on people under the age of 15, and also those between 15 and 45. From those figures we can project, we can calculate, what the situation will be like in each country in, say, 2050.
"Sparing no money and effort, every year the Hungarian government commissions an extensive international survey in order to find out what the European people think about these issues. This is not about what their leaders think, because we know that. The suspicion is that the opinions of the people don’t coincide with those of their leaders. This year’s survey showed that, across the 28 European Union countries, 81% of EU nationals thought immigration to be a serious or very serious issue. At a pan-European level, 64% believe that immigration leads to increased crime, and 59% believe that immigration changes the culture we live in. As regards the performance of Brussels, 76% of European nationals say that Brussels’ performance on immigration is poor. When asked whether more power should be given to Brussels to resolve this situation, or if nation states’ powers should be strengthened instead, we find that 36% of European citizens expect a solution from Brussels and would give it more power, while 51% expect nation states to provide solutions. In Hungary, 25% of our fellow citizens – and this is not an insignificant number, as we’re talking about every fourth Hungarian – believe that more power should be given to Brussels. But luckily 61% of our fellow citizens think that Brussels should have less power, and we should even take back those powers that we previously transferred to it – or at least some of them.
"Naturally, when considering the whole issue of who will live in Europe, one could argue that this problem will be solved by successful integration. The reality, however, is that we’re not aware of any examples of successful integration. It’s obvious that migration is not the answer to economic problems and labour shortages. Interestingly, people in Europe are least concerned about migrants taking their jobs. This probably reflects some form of personal experience. I can believe there are desperate situations, just like a castaway on the ocean finally giving in to the urge to drink seawater: it’s water, but it doesn’t quench one’s thirst, and only adds to the problem. This is more or less the situation in which those who want to cure their economic ills with immigrants will find themselves. In countering arguments for successful integration, we must also point out that if people with diverging goals find themselves in the same system or country, it won’t lead to integration, but to chaos. It’s obvious that the culture of migrants contrasts dramatically with European culture. Opposing ideologies and values cannot be simultaneously upheld, as they are mutually exclusive. To give you the most obvious example, the European people think it desirable for men and women to be equal, while for the Muslim community this idea is unacceptable, as in their culture the relationship between men and women is seen in terms of a hierarchical order. These two concepts cannot be upheld at the same time. It’s only a question of time before one or the other prevails."


  1. The Wikipedia entry on him doesn't make Orban a very sympathetic (or authentic) figure. He's a communist who was boosted into power by the likes of Soros. Maybe he went rogue in the meantime, but I am not sure he is so trustworthy or sincere.

    1. Wikipedia is horribly biassed towards the CIA view. When I was in Budapest in September 1990 everyone I spoke to was mad about the boy, to quote Sir Noel Coward.

    2. Do you think the information on Wikipedia (that Orban was a communist party member, and that he was openly funded by Soros money) ia false?

  2. But be aware of strong globalist political bias on Wikipedia.