Tuesday 27 June 2023

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The Americans think Prigozhin's plane has flown from Rostov-on-Don and landed in Minsk. 

If so and I were he, I'd leave for Africa as fast as possible.

I somehow doubt if Lukashenko really brokered a deal. But who knows? 

As Disraeli said, no man is forgotten when it is convenient to remember him. It became convenient to remember Lukashenko and Belarus.

Lukashenko said 'Don't make a hero out of me or Putin or Prigozhin', which suggests he is disclaiming any credit. 

He also said that it was painful for him to see the events (the revolt) 'because there is only one Motherland'. 

Is there? Does it include Belarus?

The reason why Prigozhin stopped his march is that he and his men would have been killed had they continued. 

His family would have been killed too.

Here is a reminder of the unpleasant crimes (mugging a woman, for example) for which he spent most of the 1980s behind bars. How I wish I had made it to Brezhnev's Russia.

Mark Galleoti has a very good explanation of the revolt and why it fizzled out (listen to the first ten minutes if you don't have longer). 

It was never 25,000 men but perhaps four thousand. Had they got to Moscow what could they have done except seize some buildings and have a hostage drama?

They did not have support for a takeover of power - did Prigozhin want to do this? Had he thought he had?

Timothy Snyder is a good historian, but severely limited by his liberalism (in the real, not American, sense of the word). From his latest substack:

'The wealth is held by a very few people, and the Russian population is treated to a regular spectacle of otherwise pointless war -- Ukraine, Syria, Ukraine again -- to distract attention from this basic state of affairs, and to convince them that there is some kind of external enemy that justifies it (hint: there really isn't).'

Professor Snyder is right about war being useful as a distraction for Putin, as it is for Erdogan, but I don't buy the idea that Russians would do anything about inequality or the very rich if they were not distracted. That's a leftist mistake. 
If you substituted America for Russia and Iran or Iraq for Syria the sentence would also make just as much sense.

The following is true but not the whole truth:

'I'm not sure enough attention has been paid to what Prigozhin said about Putin's motives for war: that it had nothing to do with NATO enlargement or Ukrainian aggression, and was simply a matter of wishing to dominate Ukraine, replace its regime with a Moscow-friendly politician (Viktor Medvedchuk), and then seize its resources and to satisfy the Russian elite. Given the way the Russian political system actually works, that has the ring of plausibility. Putin's various rationales are dramatically inconsistent with the way the Russian political system actually works.'


'Russia is far less secure than it was before invading Ukraine. This is a rather obvious point that many people aside from myself have been making, going all the way back the first invasion of 2014. There was never any reason to believe, from that point at the latest, that Putin cared about Russian national interests. If he had, he would never have begun a conflict that forced Russia to become subordinate to China, which is the only real threat on its borders. Any realist in Moscow concerned about the Russian state would seek to balance China and the West, rather than pursue a policy which had to alienate the West.

'Putin was concerned that Ukraine might serve as a model. Unlike Russians, Ukrainians could vote and enjoyed freedom of speech and association. That was no threat to Russia, but it was to Putin's own power.' 

This is partly true but Ukraine was not very attractive before the invasion. 

Mr Snyder misunderstands how countries outside the liberal world behave. Putin did not want the Sevastopol naval base to be in Nato territory. Snyder's very American liberal world view means he cannot see why.

On the other hand, he is right about China being the threat to Russia. Nature abhors a vacuum. Siberia is empty and lies next to the most populous country on earth.

Meanwhile, the long expected Ukrainian spring offensive, delayed to June, has come to very little in three weeks. Today the Ukrainian government says they are making gains. The Anglo-American media repeat this uncritically. 

What is the point of the offensive? I never understood, really.

14 comments:

  1. The lack of reporting on the counter-offensive tells its own story. As for Snyder, like Anne Applebaum he simply cannot understand why anyone would not want to be like America.

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  2. God, you read Galeotti and morons like that

    I can't judge Snyder as a historian because I do not have access to his source material but I do not rate his analysis of current affairs where we do have access to same material. Snyders point about wars being a distraction could equally well apply to Britain, with a failing economy but with an elite going all in for the Ukraine war. As for Syria there is a clip with French FM Roland Dumas saying the British were planning destabilisation efforts as far back as 2009 and if you google operation Timber Sycamore the CIA, and MI6, were engaged in using islamists to destabilise Assad from 2012 onwards. The Russians were invited in by the legally constituted government, ie Assad, in 2015 to prevent Syria from becoming the war against all hellhole the British and Americans had done with Libya and Iraq

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    1. I agree with what you say mostly. Especially about Syria. I keep saying the same. I made exactly the point about Snyder's remark about Russia applying to the USA. Galeotti is clever and erudite, as you must know. Yes Snyder's political views and prediction that Trump will try to impose a fascist dictatorship are risible. There is nothing fascist about Russia unless you call any non-socialist dictatorship fascist. Mussolini and Putin were very different.

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    2. Galeotti was one of the listed operatives in the Integrity Initiative (II) documents released in December 2018.    Entitled “The Institute for Statecraft Expert Team: Roles and Relevant Experience”, the document reported Galeotti as one of its selected experts: “Specialist in Russian strategic thinking; the application of Russian disinformation and hybrid warfare; the use of organised crime as a weapon of hybrid warfare. Educational and mentoring skills, including in a US and E European environment, and the corporate world.”

      In that context, Galeotti’s publications have been analysed as fabrication and propaganda contracted and paid for by the British government and allied agencies.  

      Galeotti responded in a blog post and tweet admitting he had been approached by the II organizers. “I said that I’d be glad to be involved in some way if the project got off the ground, depending on quite how it evolved. And that was it. I never heard any more, so I don’t know if the bid was successful or not. I have no other relationship with the II or the Institute of Statecraft.”

      Galeotti denies receiving either II money or the benefits of organizational involvement. He did not mention that confirmed II operatives have been boosting his book. He also defends the operation and its British government financing. “Nor does FCO [Foreign & Commonwealth Office] funding demonstrate any kind of nefarious intent. The FCO funds all kinds of projects, some smart and some stupid, some political and some purely cultural. Given that there can be no doubt that there is a Russian political-information campaign being waged, through open media and covert influence, it is right and proper that measures are taken to understand and respond.”

      The most detailed analysis of the Foreign Office, MI6 and British Army operations which have interacted with II is “Briefing note on the Integrity Initiative” by British academics Paul McKeigue, David Miller, Jake Mason, Piers Robinson.

      They published their report on December 21, 2018.  This indicates that Galeotti has been financing himself in parallel with the II networks, receiving money directly from the same or parallel sources rather than through II applications. Promotion of his books, though, comes from the II networks.

      Common money-pot; different hustle; same con.

      https://johnhelmer.net/mark-galeotti-is-a-fact-faker-his-book-on-russian-crime-is-a-hate-crime-a-war-crime-2/

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    3. Taking money from 'parallel sources' to an organisation funded by HMG and Nato governments does not make Galeotti unreliable. His anti-Putin, pro-Nato sympathies are not hidden and he shares them with most British academics, but I do not detect in him the anti Russian activism of other academics like Jade McGlynn for example. He does feel the need, when explaining how Putin feels he is responding to Nato expansionism, to emphasise that he (MG) is not endorsing Putin's ideas.

      John Helmer is a case himself. I do not understand his position.

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    4. From J McG's latest piece in Spectator. Putin’s "allusions to civil war and ‘times of troubles’ (historical periods when the state is weak and chaos ensues) only remind people of the instability currently afflicting Russia." Only? Nobody at all was reminded of the 1990s? Not one viewer? How do you know that? This is not the way a careful academic writes. It is rather feminine though. Galeotti is not at all like that.

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    5. He's bought and paid for. A lousy hack, an ugly MF.

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    6. I this. https://johnhelmer.net/you-can-run-but-you-cant-take-sides-apology-by-john-heathershaw-of-behalf-of-mark-galeotti-oliver-bullough-robert-service/

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    7. I have the Vlory but haven't read it. He seemed very nice when I met him. I love academic quarrels and miss reading history at the university.

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  3. The offensive aims to recapture territory, no?

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  4. I do not know what is happening in Russia. As for the dictator of Belarus - I will say two things in his favour, he did not have a Covid lockdown - Mr Putin did have a Covid lockdown. And he did not invade any other countries - Mr Putin has invaded several countries.

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    1. True - he is teetotal I think. In the clip he seemed rather funny- I liked his contempt for UK funded NGOs.

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    2. MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia is not planning to impose any blanket restrictions to contain the COVID-19 pandemic, President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday, even as the country reported a record new daily death toll from the respiratory disease.

      “Regarding the possibility of harsh, total measures - we are not planning to do it. The government does not have such plans,” Putin said at a meeting held by video link with Russia’s top business figures.

      Earlier on Wednesday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia was now better equipped to respond to the pandemic, and that safety precautions, hygiene and curbs imposed by local authorities were key.

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-cases/russia-not-planning-lockdowns-putin-says-despite-record-high-covid-deaths-idUSKBN2760U2

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    3. As the world scrambles to discover a cure for the coronavirus, the strongman leader of Belarus is promoting his own unique recipe for staying healthy: drink vodka, work hard in the countryside and visit the sauna.

      “I don’t drink but recently I’ve been saying that people should not only wash their hands with vodka but also poison the virus with it,” he said. “You should drink the equivalent of 40-50 millilitres of rectified spirit daily. But not at work.”

      He advised doubling the dose after a visit to the banya, a Russian-style sauna. The heady combination of vodka shots and banya sessions is a popular supposed cure-all in former Soviet countries.

      “Go to the banya. Two or three times a week will do you good. When you come out of the sauna, not only wash your hands, but also your insides with 100 millilitres [of vodka],” Lukashenko said.

      Tractors and vodka will cure Belarus of the coronavirus, says leader
      Marc Bennetts, Moscow
      Sunday March 29 2020, 12.01am GMT, The Sunday Times

      https://archive.fo/WSjjk#selection-743.0-779.16

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